Episode 151 — John Southard: Turning a Fandom into a Career, Handling History, & Missing Out on Nolan’s 7th No-No

John Southard is a life-long Rangers fan living in Fort Worth, Texas. He works as a Brand Historian for an archival company called Heritage Werks, and works closely with the Rangers to curate exhibits and displays that highlight the team’s history. We chat about how he found what many people would consider to be a dream job, what the process of working with a new team is like, and some favorite artifacts he’s encountered.

We also discuss how his love for the game developed at a young age, partly in thanks to his dad studying pitching mechanics as a kinesiology professor, and how he was infamously forced to leave Nolan Ryan’s 7th no-hitter early to beat traffic.


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[00:00:00] John: I realized that when I started, but it really hit home for me this past January. their fan fest. It was like this whole weekend where Friday night, they had their awards dinner and then Saturday night they had their fan fest. And so at both of those events, I was there manning an artifact table with these World Series artifacts. And that Friday night when we were doing the awards dinner, when I was holding the last out of the World Series in my hand I was like, my God, look at what I’m doing right now.

[00:00:36] John: Or holding a Adolis Garcia’s bat. Like, Oh my God, what am I doing right now? Just stop, stop and look around for a second and realize what’s happening. 

[00:00:43] Anna: What’s up bucket heads. Thanks for tuning in and welcome to episode number 151. One of the baseball bucket list podcast. I’m your host Anna DiTommaso. And each week on the show, I speak with a different baseball fan about their favorite memories, what’s left on their baseball bucket list, and what the game of baseball means to them. This week, I had the pleasure of sitting down with John Southard from Fort Worth, Texas. John is a lifelong Rangers fan who Googled his way to his current job as a brand historian for a company called Heritage Works. 

[00:01:12] Anna: Heritage works works with teams and other companies to catalog and archive historical material. Clients of the company include the Mets, the Dodgers, several NBA teams. And of course the Texas Rangers who John works with closely. 

[00:01:25] Anna: In this episode, John and I discussed the process of onboarding a new client, how he found his job and what some of his favorite artifacts are. 

[00:01:33] Anna: We also touch on how his love of the game developed at a young age, thanks. In part to his dad who was a professor of kinesiology studying pitching mechanics. And we hear about the time his neighbor forced him to leave a Nolan, Ryan no-no to beat traffic. 

[00:01:48] Anna: This episode was a ton of fun and we covered some really interesting stuff, so I want to get right to it. Now without further ado, sit back, relax and enjoy some baseball banter with John Southard.

[00:02:00] Anna: John, thank you so much for joining us today on the baseball bucket list. How are things? I mean, you’re a stone’s throw from me. We probably should have just met up and done this in person.

[00:02:09] John: For real. Is there a, there’s gotta be a bar halfway, or something.

[00:02:15] Anna: How’s life?

[00:02:17] John: It’s good. It’s good. Um, busy, but I think it’s busy for everybody. So I’m no different than anybody else, but yeah, busy.

[00:02:26] Anna: Yeah. Well, awesome. I’m glad you made time to be here. I think the listeners are really going to enjoy hearing, you know, kind of what you’ve got to share. I know I sure did when we first met about a month ago, but the first question I always get started with, I don’t want to get ahead of myself here is how is it that you became a fan of baseball?

[00:02:43] John: I, uh, let’s see. My dad played college baseball, at a small college in Iowa. They call it Buena Vista, but if you come to Texas and you get your Spanish down, it’s actually Buena Vista. Uh, and so I grew up, he, he wasn’t like, Gotta play baseball or gotta know about baseball, but baseball is always in the background.

[00:03:12] John: It was always a thing growing up and he also was a professor of motor control And in, in a kinesiology department, so motor control and biomechanics, and he focused on pitching mechanics

[00:03:27] Anna: cool.

[00:03:28] John: and baseball was just always around growing up. And as I traversed the terrain of youth sports and played all the things, flag football and soccer and basketball, baseball ultimately became the sport that I played as well.

[00:03:46] John: So I’ve just always, as long as I can remember, had an affinity for baseball. Playing it and following it, all of the above.

[00:03:55] Anna: Yeah, definitely. So born and raised in Texas then?

[00:03:59] John: Fort Worth, yes.

[00:04:00] Anna: Okay, so the next question is always who’s your favorite team, but I got an Inkling.

[00:04:04] John: It’s a stretch, but it’s the Texas Rangers.

[00:04:08] Anna: Totally out of left field. So, I mean, talk about that for a little bit. So born and raised in Fort Worth, Short shot over to Arlington where the Rangers play some ebbs and flows in terms of talent and kind of excitement across the seasons, but Well, just kind of give a brief overview of what your experience as a lifelong Texas Rangers fan has been like

[00:04:33] John: someone asked me something kind of similar recently, and it’s kind of similar to the Dallas Mavericks. there’s this period, and I’ll just talk about the Rangers, but so in the 80s, I was elementary school to date myself. So in the 80s, I was paying attention to baseball, but, and I knew the Rangers were a thing, and they used to be on this network called HSE or Home Sports Entertainment, and I didn’t have cable growing up, but every time I went to a friend’s house who did have cable that did have HSE, I would watch the Rangers game.

[00:05:11] John: So I couldn’t watch them a lot, but once We got into the nineties and we did get cable and I could watch the Rangers essentially whenever I wanted to, that’s when my fandom went to an entirely new level. And that’s when they started to go from bad, occasionally average to, Hey, they’re pretty good. And you, when your first division title there in the nineties.

[00:05:39] John: And my first game was at Old Arlington Stadium. most infamous game I attended was Nolan Ryan’s 7th No Hitter, and it was infamous for me because I attended but had to leave. I think I told this story when you and I met. I had to leave in, I think it was the 7th inning, so that the neighbor who drove me there beat traffic. Yeah, but you know, as, as a Rangers fan it’s , just, I don’t know, this last season is still so surreal to me. I just, every time on local radio, I hear Eric Nadal’s call. I’m reminded that, whoa, That really did happen.

[00:06:23] John: I know for so many Rangers fans, but I’m included in those that it was such a relief for that to happen after all these ebbs and flows, as you said.

[00:06:36] Anna: definitely You know, I’m primarily a Rays fan from my time I spent in Florida, but after the Rangers kind of kicked the Rays out of the postseason, I think that’s the best way to say it nicely. You know, I was hoping that they would win the whole thing just because of, I have several friends who went through a lot of heartbreak back in 11 and You know, those back to back World Series years coming so close twice in a row and it just you it’s so close You’re literally sitting there.

[00:07:06] Anna: You think you can taste it And then I I gotta imagine that as someone who kind of lived through that heartbreak even being up three games to one you’re like, I don’t know. I don’t feel great. I don’t feel so good about it

[00:07:21] John: you don’t, you don’t feel good until they win it. You just don’t. And I think part of that is just a typical fan. Any fan is probably going to think that way, but especially if you’re a Rangers fan after 2011. And in 2011, my best friends from college. I went to TCU here in Fort Worth. My best friends in college are from St.

[00:07:42] John: Louis. And when that series occurred, it wasn’t just, okay, I want the Rangers to win the World Series, but it was, they’ve got to win this one

[00:07:52] Anna: yeah

[00:07:52] John: for the big bragging rights.

[00:07:55] Anna: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess you get a little bit of redemption a couple, you know a decade or

[00:08:02] John: Yeah,

[00:08:03] Anna: later, a decade and a half later, I

[00:08:05] John: yeah, I’m actually going to a Cardinals game with them here in about three weeks. So I can look at right field a little different now.

[00:08:14] Anna: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Ouch. so I want to, I want to back up here for a second. Cause we alluded to the fact that, you know, we met each other for the first time about a month ago at a SABR meeting here in Arlington, the, uh, the Arlington chapter, you were there. And gave us kind of a sneak peek of something that’s really cool.

[00:08:37] Anna: It’s a collection of artifacts here at globe life from last year’s World Series. There was a Corey Segar Jersey. There was the ball from the final out. And, um, along with those are some items from the 95 all star game. So the last time the all star game was here in Arlington and As soon as you got up and started talking about this, I was like, I gotta ask him to come on the show because I know people are going to be fascinated by this job, this story, this whole thing.

[00:09:07] Anna: So why don’t you kind of give listeners an idea as to what you do and how you got there?

[00:09:14] John: Okay, I work for a company called Heritage Works we are the heritage or historical agency of record for a whole bunch of pro sports teams and corporations and one of our clients is the Rangers. And what we do it, I’ll give you an example. Um, the way it starts is we will get a new client. So let’s say it’s the Rangers and the Rangers have all of this historical material, artifacts, documents, you name it. And they’re not necessarily the most organized. They know they have them and they’re somewhere in a closet or in some kind of archival room, but they’re not organized. nothing’s identified. All of these things. So what Heritage Works does is they say, well, we will come to your closet and to your archives room, wherever your historical material material is, we’re going to put it in boxes.

[00:10:23] John: And we’re going to ship it, or put it in a gigantic 18 wheeler, and we’re going to take it to our main warehouses. Which is just a gigantic archives just outside of Atlanta. And once that, once we start in taking that historical material, it goes to our archives team. So we have this gigantic archives team that intakes all of this material and then turns it into after a really long arduous process and organized archives.

[00:10:53] John: So what you then have are rows and think of it like Uh, the National Archives and for anyone who hasn’t been to the National Archives or you aren’t familiar, it’s just rows and rows of all those little archive boxes. And it’s the exact same thing, just organized, however the, the archive, the archivists organize it.

[00:11:15] John: And then once the archives are organized, it goes to digitization, which means that it With all the advanced modern photography and video things, I know that’s not a very, uh, uh, official term, but we digitize all that and put it online for the, and so for some clients, it just becomes this internal platform that they can use for marketing or sales or promotions or PR, whatever it is, and they can go there and they have all this historical data.

[00:11:51] John: And artifacts and documents that they can just pull instead of googling or trying to figure out. I need an image for Nolan Ryan’s 7th No Hitter. Where do I get one? and then some clients take that to the next level and have an external platform where they say, um, like we do this for the New York Mets.

[00:12:13] John: Where now anyone, fans, can just go to this website and access all of these historical materials. And then we go in and kind of write the captions for those and organize the historical content. So my job is, uh, I’m called a brand historian. So my job is, once all those materials show up to the archives and get digitized, It’s my job to then tell the stories that the client wants to tell based on those historical artifacts.

[00:12:45] John: So the example you gave, um, the World Series artifacts and then the 1995 All Star Game artifacts, the Rangers wanted to do this exhibit at Globe Life Field, which they now have on the, uh, suite level concourse. And it’s three cases with these artifacts in it. So it’s my job, as the brand history to figure out what are we going to put in to those cases?

[00:13:13] John: What stories are we going to tell? And then my team and I write the captions, little caption cards that you see next to each individual item. So there’s, we do a lot of exhibit design and exhibit execution. We did a gigantic one for the Dallas Mavericks at the State Fair. in 2022 and You know some of it could be hey, um, we need a report on The history of our D. E. and I initiatives. And so we go in and conduct the research in our archives and give the client the history of whatever kind of event that that they’re looking for

[00:13:54] John: it’s pretty crazy. And I, to answer your other question that, like, how did I find it? Or how did I come about this job is. I’ve been in business, so I used to be a history professor. I made this very awkward, abrupt transition from that, from academia to business. And I’ve been in business now for like 10 years and a few years ago, I was just in a bad spot trying to figure out what, you know, what do I want to do when I grow up?

[00:14:23] John: Kind of a question. And I seriously just went to Google and I Googled something like, history, uh, sports and business or something like that. And heritage works popped up and I said, this can’t be real. And then I waited about six months. I kept going to their website to see if they had jobs available. And then once they had this brand historian job, I applied.

[00:14:50] Anna: that’s awesome. It’s like a dream job. I think, you know, One, to be involved with baseball at all, and sports, obviously, not just baseball for you. But, you know, to be involved in the thing that you grew up loving as a kid, and then to, to land the Texas Rangers, so your childhood team, the team that you’ve followed for your entire life, and now you’re working directly with, you know, John Blake and, uh,

[00:15:17] John: Yeah.

[00:15:19] Anna: Executive board of a major league ball club.

[00:15:21] Anna: I mean, it’s just it’s like a dream job. It totally is

[00:15:26] John: Yeah. And I came to that realization. I mean, I realized that when I started, but it really hit home for me this past January. their fan fest. It was like this whole weekend where Friday night, they had their awards dinner and then Saturday night they had their fan fest. And so at both of those events, I was there manning an artifact table with these World Series artifacts. And that Friday night when we were doing the awards dinner, when I was holding the last out of the World Series in my hand to like, I was like, my God, look at what I’m doing right now.

[00:16:05] John: Or holding a Adolis Garcia’s bat. Like, Oh my God, what am I doing right now? Just stop, stop and look around for a second and realize what’s happening.

[00:16:13] Anna: Yeah, and then someone’s paying you money to do that, which is just like yeah, that’s wild

[00:16:17] John: Yeah. What is happening?

[00:16:19] Anna: when did I know this is kind of a more recent thing for the Rangers? So when did they bring Heritage Works in to kind of manage all these artifacts?

[00:16:27] John: They, I think that relationship started. I’ve been with heritage work since May of 2021. And their relationship started, I think, three years before I showed up. So I’ll say approximately 2017, 2018.

[00:16:46] Anna: Okay. I uh when you were talking through You know these clubs they kind of have just these closets and they’re they’re doing their best to kind of store things But maybe it’s like on the same level that you know, mom and dad keep your kindergarten artwork. It’s uh

[00:17:03] John: You’re exactly right. You’re exactly right. Now, some of them are more organized than others. I don’t want to make it seem like they’re all just

[00:17:09] John: complete catastrophes, but certainly not in a professional archive, you know,

[00:17:16] Anna: for sure

[00:17:17] John: you’re exactly right. Yeah. It’s kind of like walking in, but, oh, there’s a series of random pictures.

[00:17:23] John: In this album.

[00:17:24] Anna: Yeah back in 2019 the last year at you know, Globe Life Park otherwise known as the ballpark in Arlington They had, you know, they still have it. They have these like game used artifacts, their balls that, you know, they tell you what game they came from, or maybe they’ve got lineup cards and things like that, that they kind of sell to the public.

[00:17:46] Anna: Um, but back in 2019, I guess they were trying to kind of clean house before they were going to move into the new ballpark. And so when I was a kid, I remember distinctly going to the ballpark at Arlington and looking out in the outfield and. You know, there were those flagpoles at the top of the, the ballpark, just all the way around.

[00:18:04] Anna: And later on, they became just American flags and the Texas flag. But there was a time where that was how they would keep track of the division leaders. And, they were selling these flags. Like, the flags from like the, the 90s of how they tracked division leaders at the ballpark in Arlington. And so I, uh, I bought all of the Tampa Bay Rays stuff that I could like get my hands on because I knew, I knew it would be a huge present for my dad.

[00:18:34] Anna: And so like, um, but these like huge flags and, one of them is the old school, like Devil Rays logo with like the rainbow and everything. And that’s, uh, In my garage. It’s huge. I mean, it’s, it takes up an entire wall

[00:18:46] John: wow. 

[00:18:47] Anna: I was like, uh, do you guys have anything with the new logo? And he said, let me go check the closet.

[00:18:53] Anna: And so for you to just, uh, you know, talk about that’s kind of how things were done back in the day. Uh, yeah, but I mean, I think I got those, I think I bought like three flags for like 75 or something ridiculously cheap like that. And, um, it’s

[00:19:07] John: Where was I?

[00:19:09] Anna: know that’s why I was like, when, when did this happen?

[00:19:11] Anna: Because, uh, So now I’ve got my own piece of, you know, globe life, ballpark in Arlington, history, 

[00:19:18] John: What a great 

[00:19:19] Anna: yeah, little bit of Ray’s history with it, so, some here, some in Carolina with my dad, but, um, It’s just, it’s, I love that teams kind of keep all this stuff around the history of, of the team is so important, but, you kind of shared with us some of your favorite items that are specific to the Rangers, um, and one in particular that was really memorable to me.

[00:19:42] Anna: So do you kind of want to talk through what your, your favorite Rangers artifacts are?

[00:19:49] John: First is the last out of the World Series. you’re probably talking about the Frank Howard Jersey.

[00:19:57] Anna: That’s right.

[00:19:58] John: So we have Frank Howard Jersey from 1972. That’s still hat. Well, I don’t still have, but you can still see. The senator’s stitching under the ranger’s stitching. And it’s just, it was, it’s so great because I don’t know.

[00:20:18] John: It’s, it’s so Rangers. It’s so 1972 Rangers, almost like you just had to, you couldn’t get a new uniform. You just had to rip the old logo off and put a new Rangers one on top, but it’s so awesome. That’s, that’s my favorite. And the second, there’s another one I mentioned that when we met. And it’s just a, it’s signage from Arlington stadium that shows ticket prices it’s general admission for adults is something like 4.

[00:20:53] John: And for kids, it’s 2, but just to think a, there were general admission seats, just seats, not like, not like standing room, only general admission, but seats that were general admission and that you could get them for as low as 2

[00:21:09] Anna: Yeah. Yeah. Those are the ones you shared there. The blast from the past for real. And, you know, of course I always think back to the old Arlington stadium and the genius who decided that aluminum bleachers was the right call in, in North Texas here with temperatures reaching like 115. Yeah.

[00:21:28] John: Plus bat night. Yes,

[00:21:32] Anna: combination. Oh man. You, so you mentioned the Mets already. And you mentioned the Mavs. What other ball clubs are, you know, what other baseball teams does Heritage Works work with?

[00:21:48] John: let’s see. Well, I’ll give you more than baseball teams. Rangers, Mets, Dodgers. I’m sure I’m going to miss a few thinking, but if you go to basketball, we’ve got the Mavericks. We’ve got the Golden State Warriors, the Boston Celtics, the New York Knicks. If you go to football, we’ve got the Falcons. The Lions, and then there’s several teams in hockey too.

[00:22:18] John: And then the other half of the roster is gigantic corporations.

[00:22:25] Anna: Less fun.

[00:22:26] John: I can’t say that, but you can say it.

[00:22:31] Anna: That’s right. is there something that comes to mind if I ask you specifically what your favorite baseball memory is? And I know that that might be a sore subject based on Nolan’s no, no, no number seven there.

[00:22:44] John: okay. First is, when I was a kid, and we’re just talking any kind of baseball memory, right? It doesn’t have to be,

[00:22:56] Anna: Yeah. Yeah. Everything’s up for grabs.

[00:22:59] John: I was a kid, maybe not starting out baseball, but this is about 5th grade, and at the time I was a catcher, and I would go with my dad to the high school field up the street. And just practice throwing the second and he would tell me each time that you, as he would say, put the throw right on the money, you get a slurpee from 7 Eleven because there was a 7 Eleven almost across the street from where we would practice.

[00:23:37] John: And I, I’ve never seen that happen. I seriously never in my life focused in on something so intently to get like 40 slurpees. Not at one time, obviously, but just growing. So that, that, that’s one. And I really think the other one, so I’m giving you two, not just one, is my first Rangers game ever, which was with my dad. And then, uh, this must have been 1989 or 1990. And with the name that I say, it’s got to be 89 or 90 because we sat on the front row on the third base side in front of the visitors bullpen because the bullpens at Old Arlington Stadium were old school, like down the foul lines. And I vividly remember Pete Incaviglia was playing left field for the Rangers.

[00:24:30] John: Big name at the time, and he, I’m, he, he hit a bunch of home runs, at least for the late 80s, and there was a foul ball hit down the line. In the bullpen and Pete Incavillo walked over grabbed the ball and he walked over and I thought he was going to hand the ball to me and he handed it to the person right next to me. So awkwardly, uh, those are my two favorite memories, but really the Incaviglia story stands out, but it’s just the experience of going to my first Rangers game with my dad.

[00:25:03] Anna: Yeah, definitely. I could see how that would be. here’s a weird question for you and I know it’s, it might not be a fair one, but you know, Is there a clear favorite Ranger out of all of them? Like, is there one guy when you close your eyes and you think Texas Rangers, that’s the face you see?

[00:25:20] John: It’s Pudge Rodriguez for me.

[00:25:22] Anna: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:25:24] John: my favorite number growing up, my favorite number today is number seven. And he was here such a long time that he was so good. Obviously he was so good. All those things combined. It’s it’s Pudge Rodriguez.

[00:25:41] Anna: yeah, he was always, uh, you know, I grew up in this area before we moved to Florida and as a young baseball fan. He was always one of my favorites. Him and Rafi were, um, were the two that I was just all about and, um, But yeah, Pudge, I can still hear his walk up song. But, uh, yeah, I think, you know, Pudge is definitely the face of the Rangers at least in the the mid 90s.

[00:26:07] John: You know who else I really liked though? Maybe you don’t think of this person when you think of the Rangers, but he was one of these players that destroyed the Rangers when he played with the Angels. Just destroyed them. It’s Vladdy Guerrero. But I always loved Vlad Guerrero, even though he destroyed the Rangers, because he was just such a raw talent.

[00:26:29] John: Didn’t wear batting gloves. It looked like he had a broken leg when he was running, but he somehow like was actually pretty fast for his size. But oh, when he came to the rangers, it was. I loved it, even though he wasn’t here for very long.

[00:26:46] Anna: Yeah. right. So here’s a question. I’ve spoken with a couple of Rangers fans. I never thought to put this one out there general thoughts on A Rod becoming a Texas Ranger at the time and then you know what it what it kind of morphed into there

[00:27:06] John: We were ready, I was ready for them to win the World Series. I was ecstatic. I will never forget where I was. I was in my college house where I lived with my four best friends. To anyone out there going to college, if you care about academics, you might not want to do that. But I was in that with my buddies that are from St.

[00:27:30] John: Louis and we got A Rod and I remember telling them, Oh, this is it. The Rangers are finally here. And then they start adding all these other names to that team. And you’re thinking, Oh my God. Gallaraga, Ken Kameniti, Randy Velarde? I mean, this is a World Series. And then, we all know how that story ended.

[00:27:55] Anna: Yeah.

[00:27:55] John: But, You know, I’m not a fan of now it’s easy to say that, but really at the time I was super excited,

[00:28:06] Anna: Yeah.

[00:28:06] John: but the other thing to keep in mind is that it’s the Rangers and the Rangers aren’t known and historically haven’t been known for snagging the biggest free agents in the market. They just. I haven’t been known for that.

[00:28:22] John: I remember when they got Kevin Millwood. I thought, oh my god, they got Kevin Millwood?

[00:28:26] Anna: Yeah. That’s so true. I mean, and then look at, look at last year. Look at the, uh, the spend of the last couple of, of seasons and, and what it resulted in. So it’s, it’s pretty exciting stuff to see him trot names out like Simeon and Seger and, you know, Garcia, I know was a bargain because he, You know, you can rub that in the face of your, uh, your cards buddies there.

[00:28:47] Anna: Tell them, ask them how Randy or Rosarena 

[00:28:50] Anna: and, uh, yeah, Adolis Garcia are doing. But, uh, yeah, it’s fun. It’s fun to be in the middle of a town that is excited about baseball again. It’s, um, you know, much overdue and just a really cool atmosphere, atmosphere to be kind of involved with on a, on a day to day basis, but, I mean, so I want to back up because you were just talking about how in January you kind of have this pinch me moment where you’re thinking about the fact that you’re holding the last out of the World Series and, you know, you’re, you’re putting away Corey Seeger’s game one jersey that he was wearing when he hit that monumental game tying home run and Adolis Garcia’s bat.

[00:29:31] Anna: but you know, the name of the show is Baseball Bucket List and I got to believe that there might still be something. Above those at the top of the list that you want to check off or something you want to see or someone you want to meet.

[00:29:43] John: of course. I want to take batting practice in a major league stadium. That’s it. Just how hard someone, someone helped me out with that. It doesn’t have to be before a game. It doesn’t have to be with the team. I just want to take some swings in a major league stadium. That’s it. That’s that’s the one thing which is so selfish of me.

[00:30:03] John: I could, I could say Oh, I’m gonna, you know, I want to take my family here. There. Nope. This one, this one’s all for me. I want to take batting practice in a major league stadium.

[00:30:14] Anna: I love that. I would love to do that too. I think, uh, I think that would be pretty special. I don’t know that I could get the ball beyond second base, but I would like to try.

[00:30:22] John: I who knows I haven’t even swung a bat. The last time I swung a bat, I hurt my latissimus dorsi. So son of a kinesiology

[00:30:33] Anna: yeah, I was going to say, I’m not sure what that is, but it

[00:30:35] John: just lat. It’s your lat.

[00:30:38] Anna: That one I know. Uh, John, I’ve so enjoyed this. Um, do you have any. Do you have any social media stuff? Anywhere we should send folks to to keep up with you 

[00:30:48] John: I have uh, Instagram, which I’m also a keynote speaker, so my Instagram handle is Southerd Speaks, so S O U T H A R D Speaks, and then that and LinkedIn are the two biggest social media accounts that I use.

[00:31:05] Anna: Nice. I can’t thank you enough for making time to do this and I look forward to, you know, kind of following along and seeing what you get into next and hopefully there’s there’s more great baseball history in the future for you to handle personally and, just thank you so much for making time.

[00:31:23] John: Yeah, thank you.

[00:31:24] Anna: And that will wrap up this episode of the baseball bucket list podcast. Special, thanks to John Southard for joining us today and sharing those stories and memories. If this sounds like something you’d like to do, if you think you might like to be a guest on the show, head to baseball, bucket list.com/podcast and fill out an application at absolutely love to hear from you. 

[00:31:42] Anna: While you’re there, make sure to spend some time on the site, sign up for a free membership, build your own baseball bucket list and track your ballpark visits. If you find yourself enjoying the show each week, please take a moment to rate and review it in the podcast app of your choice. It goes such a long way and I would really, really appreciate it. That’s all for this week. Thanks so much for listening. We’ll see you. Next episode. 

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